tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN July 3, 2012 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
tepid and down size risks have identified. what we see is clearly a risk that confidence be eroded. >> and she didn't stop there. she took on president obama, too. she called his $3.8 trillion budget which he says will reduce the deficit by next year as too rapid. among her suggestions, more infrastructure spending, housing initiatives and further extension of the emergency unemployment benefits. hey, we're all for ideas from anyone, but this did seem to be a naked endorsement of the spend, spend, spend idea which is envogue in france right now. well, here's how some of that has seemed to be working for france. the country's debt is now 90% of the size of the economy. many economists say that he is when an economy can no longer
grow. but maybe she's right about america, because america is only neerg 70% on that crucial ratio of debt to the size of our economy. so as hard as this advice may be to take from someone who is french -- we're being tongue in cheek -- steven is well us and julian great to see you both. steven moore, it may be hard to take it from someone who is french, but she points out we have a little more room and when you look at that crucial ratio, maybe she's right. >> well, it is hard to take, and you know, what she is saying is she wants the united states to be more like france. we're at 70% of our debt to gdp, they're at 90%. she wants more spending, she wants more stimulus. there's a couple of problems with that. but i mean, why would we want to move in the direction that france and italy and spain and
grease have done. we have move away from that model. it's almost like the bobcats' coach explaining to lebron james how to win a championship. >> i guess you're here to represent the socialist views of the continent. >> i certainly wouldn't defend what the french government has been doing, but at the same time is what she was saying is watch out america, because america is heading towards a so-called fiscal cliff that could be a nasty shock at the end of the year if the issues are left unresolved. and at the moment the global economy simply cannot afford another shock when we have the your yoe zoefr already in trouble. so in that context she was talking about america. >> do you think when she talked about the fiscal cliff, she was saying the effect on the rest of the world is going to be huge. is that, i mean, obviously the u.s. is the most important economy in the world still, but is that fear mongering on some
level? there was a lot of concern going off that cliff, due to global sentiment. because the reality is, we've seen in europe what happens when political fail to get their act together and also plenty of american politicians getting frustrated with the your ozone. it would be ironic -- >> that is true. that would be a very great irony that would humiliate a lot of people in the united states. >> well, the last thing we have to worry about in the united states is spending too little money. we've jacked up our debt by $5 trillion, we're spending $4 trillion. i think cutting government spebding right now would be positive for the u.s. economy. she didn't mention, all these things that she said that the united states should do, more unemployment insurance, housing assistance, she didn't talk about the one, and i know erin
that you disagree with me on this one, but i think the big danger is all those tax rates go up on january 1, 2013. i think that has negative effects for business incentives. >> if she said everything else she said, it's she might as well have gone there. go all the way. >> the imf is there to look at the global economy and america is the world's biggest economy so obviously the rest of the world is very concerned about what happens here. and it's not so much the details of any kind of fiscal measures right now. it's a threat that there may not be any plan that by the end of the year we'll have grid lock and that will sac business confidence. and it's a confidence issue that is key. if they thought freezing for fear that's going to be bad news. >> i agree with that. i do think it's still the case, even with all our problems, we're the hub of the world economy.
and when we catch a cold, the rest of the world catches pneumonia. so i agree with the sentiment. let's get growth up in the united states. i just think more of the spending and borrowing is not the solution. >> i know you're finishing a study which looks at if you spend money and use it on unemployment benefits how does that effect growth? >> yeah. we looked at countries that had the biggest fiscal stimulus from 2008 to 2010, and surprisingly we found that the countries that had the most stimulus spending had the weakest recovery. so there's no evidence whatsoever that government spend tg causes an economic turn around. in fact just the opposite. >> do you think france will be the country that will leads the way on the spending? >> i'm not here to endorse uncontrolled spending at all. but i would say the one thing we've seen from the ur row zone
is uncontrolled austerity doesn't work either. if you just cut randomly, that's not good either. every one needs to come together and craft a sensible moderate paced and carefully planned program to try and balance a debt. the uk has a plan of trying to implement it. it's having a patchy record now, but the tragedy is how a few countries haven't a plan at all. >> telling the truth and the truth can be hard to take as well. >> thank you. and still out front, how mitt romney is looking like john kerry in more ways than one. plus, her husband charged with killing 16 civilians while on tour in afghanistan. and amy cope land making a miraculous recovery. her parents outfront tonight
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celebrate the 4th of july. this scene reminded us of another presidential candidate. actually, much better. ann was driving the jet ski. mitt looked like he was holding on for dear life. john kerry clearly knows how to wind surf. that was in 2004. the question is mitt romney having a wind surfing moment. a very smart man once told me this. >> i think both parties need to pass a rule, neither one of us will ever nominate anyone from massachusetts again. >> that man joins us. eric, you stand by that? >> yeah, you know, if this isn't going well for mitt romney, the interesting thing for him is that eric fernstrom is probably the guy from massachusetts who may need to go. but i'm a little bit shocked by the obama campaign really pushing this out to the media today. because i lived down in georgia. we call those the red neck version of the ski boat. we all have them, and none of us are in the 1%. >> i'm saying, to be fair, the
comparison with the wind surfing was mine. i was unable to resist that. but, all right, so you're saying jet skis are not wind surfing. but still, lake winnipisaki, fancy new hampshire. >> this is the same thing, mitt romney going to new hampshire and barack obama going to martha's vineyard. neither want to relate to the rest of america. it's a problem both campaigns have. >> it's true, they both go to very lovely new england lookouts. >> quite notably, president obama is not going to martha's vineyard, that vacation plan called off. the reason this video popped is it does recall the wind surfing moment. and just having fun with it, maybe the message is not nominate folks from massachusetts but avoid water sports when running for president. >> avoid water sports. >> oh, god. >> john kerry is really good. he purposely aimed for that -- i've got to say. >> i'm not quite sure what mitt romney is doing behind his wife on the jet ski, but that's
really a judgment. obviously, on a superficial level, you've got a stiff san torrian -- >> she wears the suit. it's the best part about him as a candidate. >> first of all, i'm trying to figure out why eric is standing by with a t-shirt underneath. >> whoa. >> here's the deal. this makes no sense -- >> because i've got my swimming suit on and i'm going to the beach after i get off here. >> if i'm mitt romney, i would channel allen iverson. i would say, jet skis? really? we're talking about jet skis? is it not policy. jet skis. that's what we're talking about? this to me is what drives me nuts. every time we have a conversation where it's -- whether it's wind sailing or jet skiing, the president should also say, golf? you're talking about golf? of all the things out there, you're talking about golf? this is just nonsensical. guess what? americans jet ski. americans wind surf. americans play golf. americans go to martha's vineyard. americans go to jackson hole, wyoming. americans do all these things.
so how about this here. if we questioned them on policy, as opposed to silly stuff, that to me makes sense. not a jet ski. >> you know what, that's a very fair point, john avalon. >> look -- >> eric, that was the impassioned defense you were supposed to provide. >> well -- >> but he can't have that patterned shirt. >> i'm looking forward to going to the beach for the 4th of july. >> but this -- this brings me, though, to something, roland, which is interesting. a new poll shows mitt romney and barack obama tied on a crucial issue for mitt romney, who would better handle the economy. 48% for mitt romney, 47% for barack obama. i don't need to tell everybody, this is within the margin of error. more willing -- more likely to get the economy moving? barack obama, 44%, mitt romney, 42%. >> yeah. >> that's pretty damning. >> see that date, june 28th, july 1st? that's the most important thing. these mean nothing right now. okay? we could spend a lot of time poring over numbers --
>> why, because people are in ray good mood because of the holiday? >> no, because so many things can happen literally over the next four months that can totally change this election. remember in 2008, what took place when senator john mccain suspended his campaign, he goes to washington, d.c., senator obama does not. that was october. so so many different things can happen. and so i really don't get excited over who could possibly handle the economy better. it's really going to come down to those critical states as opposed to some overall number. >> look, of course, statewide numbers are what determine who wins the electoral college. and, of course, it's still early. we all get that. but what i think is significant about these polls right now is that it does show the economy is largely a jump ball. and to some extent, momentum seems to be slightly shifting towards president obama at a time when the romney campaign keeps saying it's all about the economy. every day, we don't talk about the economy, is a bad day for us. and so that's why i think these are indicative of the way the winds are shifting right now. >> eric, eric, let me just ask
you a question about what mitt romney should do. hold on, i just want to get to this before the end of the conversation. these tweets that are out about the mitt romney campaign. eric, you know, from rupert murdoch saying mitt romney last week, tough -- chicago pros will be hard to beat unless he drops old friends from team and hires real pros. doubtful. he then continued that, jack well much, well-known former leader of general electric. is it time for a shake-up eric? >> yeah, i'm not sure that it is. because mitt romney has a very insular campaign. one of the problems mitt romney has is very much like what george w. bush had, which is a great deal of loyalty to his staff. and doesn't necessarily cut strings when it's time. i'm concerned about eric fehrnstrom and he gave the etch-a-sketch remark and internally romney people seem to be saying they're upset with him for doing that. at the same time, though, the president up until the supreme court gave him a win last week had a significant series of bad
weeks. polling isn't going well in the battle grounds. even cnn has him behind mitt romney in battle grounds. and no one wants to talk about should barack obama's team do this. i don't know if it's fair to talk about mitt romney's team when they're neck and neck in the polls and he hadn't done anything wrong in the past few weeks. >> right. and this is a campaign being run out of massachusetts so there are a lot of consultants wanting in. but to change your campaign at this point would be so destabilizing and demoralizing. you want to reach out and grow your campaign is what i think i'm hearing eric say. but when you're in the real heat, that would be i think a terrible management decision. >> final word -- >> mitt romney should ignore people like jack welch and rupert murdoch. neither one have ever run for political office, they have never won. so the way you operate in business is different when it comes to politics. if you shake your team up, that's going to lead to another host of stories about saying you never trusted it. then it becomes this whole thing where it just eats yourself up. stick to your game plan.
you move forward, anything happens, you get to september, october, that's a different ball game. >> hey, roland -- >> you don't thing anything now -- >> you're not a consultant for the romney campaign tonight. i'm just checking. >> no. >> i'm just checking. he might need you. >> i'll take some romney money, though. i don't mind another check. >> buy yourself a jet ski. thanks to all three of you. we appreciate it. nothing wrong with having fun, doing whatever you're going to do. all right. iranian nationals are accused of hiding 30 pounds of explosives, potentialing targeting americans, enough to employee blow up a major hotel. we're live to that story. and a top poker player will soon make off with more than $18 million. and that is no joke. the postal service is critical to our economy,
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iranians, have not been convicted of anything yet. but they were found with 30 pounds of explosives, hidden in a golf course on the coast of kenya. that amount of explosives could take down a hotel, a large building, or dare i say it, even an embassy. so certainly, these are not small-scale terrorists, if they are, in fact, terrorists. and the finger would be pointed at least initially and the israeli government is pointing towards the iranian government, which has long denied any links to terror. but in this case, if they are found to be iranian operatives, a very serious allegation. and what could have been extremely serious terror attack. >> yes. and i know obviously the u.s. government has accused the iranian government of being behind an attack in the u.s., again, an accusation not confirmed. but what can you tell us about any sort of details against -- about plots that these men were planning against american targets? >> reporter: well, what we do know is that they were plotting a serious and damaging terrorist attack. either here in kenya, or across -- from here, in the neighboring
countries. what we do know, there has been a history of terror attacks in kenya by international terrorists, starting in the late '80s with the u.s. embassy bombings. and there have been iranian targets as well in the early 2000s and comes mostly from neighboring somalia. with this case with the iranians, it's different. if it's proven to be true, is certainly with that amount of is explosives, if put together, would be a major terrorist operation. we're not talking about a small grenade attack or trying to attack a nightclub, which we've seen in nairobi. this would be a major scale terror attack. and, of course, the u.s. is particularly worried about these kind of attacks, and when these men were picked up. there was a warning, an imminent terror threat warning by the u.s. embassy, specific to mum bassa. we don't know if these incidents are connected, but certainly a lot of dots could be joined up in the coming weeks. >> thank you very much, david
mckenzie reporting from nairobi tonight. ahead, robert bales charged with killing more than a dozen afghan civilians. does his wife think he did it? kerry bales "outfront," next. and a judge just ruled a jetblue pilot insane after a mid-errant. mid-air rant. now, can that airline be held responsible financially for allowing him in the cockpit? jumper cables 5% cashback signup for 5% cashback at gas stations through september. it pays to discover.
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we start the second half with stories we care about, where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines. and first, former commerce secretary john bryceson will not be charged for a hit and run incident in california. in a report obtained by "outfront," the los angeles county district attorney's office says it found insufficient evidence to prosecute the former cabinet member. tests found bryson didn't have alcohol in his system but had taken the sleeping pill ambien. prosecutors could not say the drug had a role in the crashes and bryson resigned after the incident, saying he suffered a seizure. mean time, after an apology from the united states, pakistan agreed today to reopen key supply routes for u.s. and nato trucks going into afghanistan. this comes after months and months of arguing, thanks to an incident in november where americans killed 24 pakistani soldiers. pakistan demanded an apology before reopening the border crossings, and the secretary of state, hillary clinton today delivered that apology, telling pakistan, quote, we are sorry for the losses suffered by the pakistani military.
in exchange for that apology, pakistan has dropped its demand that every united states truck that crosses its territory on the way to afghanistan pay a $5,000 fee. that fee will stay at $250 per truck, and that is what the united states considers a win tonight. french police have raided homes and offices belonging to the former french president, nicholas sarkozy amid an investigation into illegal campaign financing. agency france press is reporting the probe centers around allegations that france's richest woman gave cash-filled envelopes to sarkozy aides to fund his campaign. lilian bet toncourt is the heiress to the loreal cast cosmetics empire france's richest woman. this is weeks after sarkozy lost immunity because he didn't win re-election. "outfront" is told there are no signs tonight police found anything in the raids today, though. and there is a july 4th to celebrate for one of the most
american of industries, car-making. u.s. car sales surged in june. and these are big numbers, everyone. chrysler, 20% jump in sales, its best june since 2007. yes, you are right to recognize that is a summer before the financial crisis so that's a real number. that's when the economy was at its peak. gm also posted double digit gains. analysts say the bump in sales comes from steady demand, low gas prices and low interest rates, thanks to the feds' extraordinary easing. it has been 334 days since the united states lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? those car sales are a great sign and so is this. u.s. factory orders rose more than expected in may. they were up about 7/10 of 1%. now our fourth story outfront. a wife speaks out. the allegations against her husband, army staff sergeant robert bales, are horrific. 16 counts of premeditated murder. many of them women and children. almost four months after her husband was accused of gunning down innocent afghan civilians, keri bales is speaking out.
she told me about life since the alleged massacre, about her visits with her husband, and why she continues to love him. >> i just know that my husband isn't capable of this. and i'm really hoping for a fair trial. >> right. >> it's been really difficult to have him be guilty instead of, you know, innocent until proven guilty. and -- >> do you think he'll get that fair trial? obviously, the international focus on this, the domestic focus on this is intense. >> huge. >> do you think he can get a fair trial? >> i'm really hoping that he did. because he's -- you know, he's a great american, he has fought for his country, he sacrificed a lot being away from his family. and we do need help. i need help with his defense fund. and we do have a defense fund together for all of the legal fees that are being -- that are coming about. and it's balesdefensefund.com. and we have received so much support from all over the world, not only just this country. >> wow.
>> people sending letters, cards of encouragement. and also contributions. but we do need more for expert witnesses. it's very costly. >> so the military has accused your husband of the illisit steroid use and alcohol abuse. and i wanted to quote what was said. steroid use is going to be an issue in this case, especially where sergeant bales got steroids and how he got them. do you know anything about that, those crucial questions? >> i don't. i never discussed that with my husband. over the phone. nope. >> and i know you did speak to him about two days before the alleged incident. >> uh-huh. >> he was totally normal? >> perfectly fine. what are you doing tonight? i happened to be at a candlelight party at a friend's house and talking about that and how the kids were doing. yeah, it was typical. typical conversation. >> and it was -- do you think in a sense, in general, he was protecting you? i know you had said you didn't know about the brain injury in iraq until after he got home. >> right. >> he didn't want you to know. >> yeah, and i feel bad that i didn't maybe question more.
i think about it that way. but he did want to protect us. he protected me and protect the kids. because he faced it. he didn't want us to have to face it. >> how often have you spoken to him sense? >> we actually get to talk once or twice or three times a week. he's -- it's very open for him. so -- >> and have you talked about the night, what happened that night? >> not at all. not at all. we're always monitored. so i'm not going to ask him the question, knowing that we're being recorded. >> right. >> and we've talk about -- i've talked about it with his lawyers, which -- who i can talk about and he has talked about it with the lawyers, which are the important people to talk about it with. >> right. >> it's interesting to me that everyone wants to know, why didn't you ask him? well, we're monitored. >> so you can't. >> i don't -- you know, he's talked about what he knows. but as far as saying what happened, that will be maybe whenever all of this is done, and we're alone, truly alone. maybe. >> and the husband, father of your children. >> right. >> and those children are going to be seeing him again for the
second time? >> yep, the end of this week. yep. >> that's -- and do they -- what do they understand? when you go, will they ask you questions, or is it just wow, they're going to see daddy? >> they're going to see daddy. and we haven't seen him for -- it's been a little over a month now. i try to make it every month, but it's expensive to go. but, yeah, we're all excited to see daddy. we talk about daddy every day. and our favorite thing is -- maybe you read about in my magazine is the hand. he outlines his hand and they high-five it every time the letters come in, every time he sends us letters. it's awesome. and the last time we were there, we drew our hands together and we high-fived. so there was a lot of just being together, even though we're apart. >> that's got to be the one joy in his life, looking forward to seeing them. >> yes. yep, big-time. >> so how -- have you thought about -- this could last for years. >> right. >> you look at the -- nadal hasan trial, that's been already a few years in and not gone to trial. this could take a very, very long time. >> right. >> the children are young now. >> right.
>> but it could be during this process that you have to talk to them about this. >> right. and i'm sort of taking it day by day. they're very young now. they understood deployment. they know that daddy is at work. and now i say he's at special work so when we go to see them, they understand why he's not coming home with us. daddy has to work. and as far as what the future brings, i just take it day by day. because i really don't know what the future brings. >> if the truth comes out and he did it, but it was under the influence of steroids or something, how do you get your arms around that? i mean, is that the fault of the u.s. military? >> i'm really -- i'm not -- i don't think that far down the road. i really just want the truth to come out. i don't think we have enough information. i don't -- >> right. >> you know, i just want my family to be together, the best that it can be. so i haven't thought about that, really. i don't believe my husband is capable of this. so -- >> and when you're -- when you visit him in person, do you -- do you have any moments of privacy? i mean, everything is monitored? >> everything is monitored. always video or audio. but we, you know -- they -- they're very professional and
very respectful at the prison. and so we do get to hug when we see him. and it's amazing to see the children with him. gets to sit next to them. they don't get to sit in his lap, but they get to sit right next to him, and they get to hug him and talk to him. i'm the luckiest person to be able to see my favorite people together. >> yeah. >> we -- we were together on mother's day, and we hadn't been together since december. excuse me. so it was beautiful. it was beautiful. so -- but we were blessed. he wasn't supposed to be home until a year so we're lucky that he's safe and we get to see him. so -- that's the best part. >> that's an amazing way to look at it. they're not allowed to sit? >> no. it's a rule. we follow all of the rules. because we just want to be able to see him. >> he can touch them and hug them. >> yep, he can put his arms around them and color and we play puzs and toys. it's amazing.
we're truly blessed. >> thank you very much for coming and talking to me. we appreciate it. >> thank you. thanks, erin. >> sort of a different perspective when you sit and talk to someone's wife going through what she's going through. now, remember this disturbing video. [ screaming ] >> oh, my god! i'm so distraught! >> that was the pilot on a jetblue flight en route to las vegas in march. the pilot's name was clayton osbon,in coherent, ranting about al qaeda and iraq. his co pilot made an emergency landsing. today a federal judge ruled osbon is not guilty for interfering with a flight crew by reason of insanity and going to a low-security federal prison.
our own paul is outfront. paul, were you surprised by this verdict? >> no, i wasn't. because something strange -- a back story to it. the jury was waived. the prosecutor agreed to let the judge hear the case. the defendant wanted -- the attorney wanted the judge to hear the case, and the judge agreed to it. so usually, that sounds like everybody agrees. he's insane. and they were just sort of going through the motions, i think. >> so, okay, he's insane. and -- even just hearing his voice, talking about how distraught he was, it makes you -- feel incredibly -- incredible empathy for the person. but there are a lot of lawsuits filed. ten, i believe, civil lawsuits against jetblue. jetblue is -- are they now going to be liable? you hired an insane pilot. >> well, i think this is an extremely damaging finding against jetblue. i mean, first of all, in order to be found insane, as a matter of criminal law is extremely difficult. 90% of the time the jury doesn't buy it, it's a hard thing to prove. here, it is so clear that he is legally insane that the judge agrees, the prosecutor seems to agree and the defense attorney does. and jetblue is putting this guy in the cockpit of their jet?
>> right. >> so i think jetblue has got some answering to do. and the faa, as well. he's supposed to be medically examined before he flies, and he got through. so -- >> one final question. i'm just a little bit confused. he's found not guilty by reason of insanity today but he's supposed to be standing trial june 15th and found mentally fit for that. i don't understand. >> no, he's found competent to stand trial. he's had a trial now. he has been found insane. and not guilty by reason of insanity. the next hearing has to do with how long and where he's going to be committed mentally in the future. so -- >> okay. not really a contradiction. >> no, it's not. they'll decide now what facility he'll be kept at, and then the facility and the psychiatrist will come back to the judge, and the judge will decide how long he has to stay in. >> jetblue has got to be concerned tonight. thanks very much to paul calan. "outfront" next, aimee copeland survived her battle with flesh-eating bacteria. she is in rehab and her parents join us next. and a veto overturned in north carolina all because a
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so right this minute, the richest poker tournament in history is being played out. on sunday, there were 48 players that paid $1 million each to play in the tournament. we're not joking. they paid $1 million. now we're down to the final seven and it might sound crazy that people would pay $1 million for a poker tournament, until you realize just how much they're playing for.
the winner of this tournament will take home -- i mean, this is just unbelievable. $18.3 million. all right? just how much is that? it is actually the largest ever ask first-place prize in any sporting event in the world outside of boxing. second and third place, as you can see, settling for a paltry 10.1 and $4.4 million, respectively. fourth through ninth, wow. this has got to be what's most unbelievable about it. they still get $1 million or $2 each. what will they do with all of the money? obviously the guys playing are all famous pros, ceos, entrepreneurs, very wealthy. at least one of them, green lake capital cofounder david einhorn, has vowed to give anything he earns or wins to a charity called city year, which brings us to tonight's number. $5,533,328. that is the amount of the tournament's purse that is being
donated to charity. specifically, one charity. it's called onedrop.org, it's an organization that develops access to water and sanitation projects in developing countries. obviously, a transformative amount of money for any organization. and the tournament was actually the brainchild of a guy named guilla liberty, co founder of cirque du soleil in sixth place. britain's sam trickett currently in first. they get so into this, it could be several days before any of these gentlemen actually take a shower. that was the grossest thing i heard all day. and now let's get to the outer circle where we reach out around the world. we go to london, where the top two executives at barclays, ceo bob diamond and jerry de missier resigned. regulators in the u.s. and britain find fined them for manipulating lending rates, directly linked to how much americans pay on mortgages.
earlier i asked how serious and widespread the scandal is for barclays of our own richard quest. >> erin, having said he wasn't going to resign, and battled against the critics, the decision by diamond to go and then the chief operating officer to also leave, shows just how serious this has now become. diamond said it was because of external pressure. and we're still trying to work out whether that was the bank of england or the regulator, the fsa, who said that as chief exec, his position was no longer tenable. what it means for barclays, it's lost its three top executives. and the scandal shows no sign of going away. diamond will be giving evidence before the house of commons select committee. it's feared and thought he's going to name names of people in government and regulators who perhaps were also in on the act. and even if they didn't agree to
what barclays was doing, at least didn't stop them. all that is speculation. for the moment, all we know is that barclays has paid a huge fine. they rigged one of the most important interest rates in the world. and the investigation continues. erin? >> all right, thanks very much to richard quest. and now our fifth story ""outfront"." day one of rehab. aimee copeland has just finished her first full day with therapists. you know her. she is the 24-year-old georgia woman who nearly lost her life after flesh-eating bacteria ravaged her body. she spent 60 days in the hospital. she was given a 1% chance of survival. and now she is out of the hospital on the next stage of what has been a miraculous recovery. ""outfront" tonight, her parents, donna and andy copeland. good to see both of you donna, i know amy arrived at rehab yesterday, she had her first full session. how did it go? >> it went really good. she was really -- she leapt all slept all the way to rehab, so
she was really eager and wanting to go, but she had a lot of people coming in and out of the room, so it did tire her out. but she was just really eager and really excited about it. >> andy, she was -- it sounds like every time i've spoken to you how you describe her just that there's never been a moment where her energy and her faith have flagged. >> well, absolutely. you know, and it's interesting. i went and saw her, and basically, she is in a new wheelchair. she can mechanically operate. and it's really interesting. at first, she had it on turtle speed. and so i took her down to the gymnasium, and she did about five laps around the gym. she's gogs to be like earn heart at talladega real soon. >> donna, what exactly is the goal of rehab? i know and for many of our
viewers who have been following this step by step, this is just her learning to move in the wheelchair before she gets any sort of process stet i cans, right? >> it's her from learn how to maneuver herself from the bed to the wheelchair or to the bed to the toilet, to take care of her personal needs, as far as brushing her hair, her teeth, do do all those things and then she'll get the process stetices. >> it's been shocking for your family on every level including financial. prosthetic limbs. we just looked into what this is going to cost for you. your home renovation, you said about $200,000, medical transportation, you've gotten a bill for $32,000.
insurance doesn't pay for all this, right? >> well, actually, you know, it's amazing. we just kind of put this at god's feet and somehow we had our prayers answered. i've got to tell you, there's been a lot of development in the last 24 hours on this. we actually had a call from the transportation company and they said the insurance company is covered completely all of the transportation costs. so that's one down. then we had a call from pulte homes yesterday and they stepped up, steven haines, their vice president over at the state of georgia said, hey, we want to swing in the resources of pulte homes to make sure you can have your home built, not just to be built but built on time before aimee comes home from rehab. so it seems to me that a lot of developments are really coming together. the prosthetic limbs are still the big open question. but i have faith that god will provide an answer there also. >> that's miraculous and a testament to how so many people have responded to aimee's story. do you have moments, though,
where you think about, you know, all this insurance that you have, so many americans are struggling with that issue. just the situation that you would have been in, it's almost impossible to contemplate. >> well, yeah. i mean, we have to take it one day at a time. and i know that there will be some costs that come in later and i feel like we'll -- i just have faith that the needs will be provided, that we'll have the resources we need. god has been faithful to us and i think that will continue. >> it's amazing talking to your other daughter paige saying how she was surprised how anyone could go through what aimee went through and have been so positive and bringing everyone else around her up. as her mother, were you also surprised just at the strength that your daughter had? >> i am, and she turned to andy and i the other day, we were talking about the zip line accident and all. she said, you know, i'm really
glad that this happened to me and not one of the other girls that she was with. she said, i think god -- i'm going to excel at this. she said, they might not have handled it as well as i did. so, you know, that just really surprised me that that came out of her, that, you know -- and she's going to do this. i can tell. she is just strong-willed and she's going to really exceed at this. >> it's just amazing. i mean, we both have to sit there and look at each other sometimes at night when you're home and say, i mean, what an incredible daughter. but what incredible parents and parenting that you raised a human being like that. >> oh, well thank you. >> we're just truly blessed to have a wonderful family. i believe we've raised two wonderful girls and paige and aimee and it seems like wherever we go, it's the paige and aimee show and it's been like that for a long time and people that didn't know us that we've met, they understand that.
paige and aimee, the two girls, they always tended to attract an entourage. i think that's going to continue. that's the way they are. they are very energetic, bubbly, and they are very outgoing. they just really do -- people love them. >> i think it's safe to say there will be an entourage. good to see both of you. thank you. >> thank you. overriding the governor's fracking. it wasn't a red or blue decision. this was all about red and green, next. great shot. how did the nba become the hottest league on the planet? by building on the cisco intelligent network they're able to serve up live video, and instant replays, creating fans from berlin to beijing. what can we help you build? nice shot kid. the nba around the world built by the only company that could. cisco.
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so on monday the republican-led north carolina legislature voted to override their democratic governor beverly perdue. perdue had vetoed the use of fracking. which is a way to get natural gas out of rock by blasting it. the house voted to either save or override that veto. it was a very, very close vote. the final tally was 72 to 47. that was one vote more needed to override the veto. if one person had voted the other way, the governor's bill would have passed. beyond devastating for one particular person. democratic representative becky carney. why? because she accidently voted the wrong way. in the north carolina assembly,
like most legislatures, the desks are equipped with a green button for red and a red button for no. carney is a ten-year lawmaker. she pushed the green button meant to override. she meant to push the red. the rules prevent voters from changing. carney's vote changed the outcome, the one vote that made all of the difference. but should her constituents be punished for her mistake? we know it was a mistake and it seems like the right thing to do is to change her vote. but red, green, yes, no, everyone else got it right. seriously? tonight, the hottest fourth of july in history, fires, drought, flooding, and something called the show. what does it all mean? i'll ask sam champion. plus, she may be one of the most hated women in america, casey anthony found not guilty of murder one year ago for the
death of her daughter caylee. i talked to her a while ago. she says she's innocent. loud and clear, i didn't kill my girl. after that interview thousands of you still don't believe casey anthony. now her attorney is back with her side of the story on the first anniversary. also, what chynna phillips says about it all. >> try going to dinner with and you will be doubled over in pain. >> i can believe that. >> tonight, billy baldwin and his new movie. this is "piers morgan tonight." >> good evening. we'll get to sam champion on this extraordinary heatwave in a moment but, first, a man fired up about politics and a hot new book and what he has to say